Comments on: Bitch slappin’ BPMS: a BPMN and BPEL war of words http://www.vosibilities.com/bpel/bitch-slappin-bpms-a-bpel-bpmn-war-of-words/2008/07/10/ ActiveVOS: the BPMS that development teams love Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:27:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Bruce Silver http://www.vosibilities.com/bpel/bitch-slappin-bpms-a-bpel-bpmn-war-of-words/2008/07/10/comment-page-1/#comment-56 Bruce Silver Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:40:09 +0000 http://www.vosibilities.com/?p=105#comment-56 Slapped down good, I guess, since so far Nick has shut up, not put up. I don't think I'm a purist, but I am a member of the so-called BPM community, and while that community does not speak with a single voice, I think I'm correct in saying Nick's characterization of BPM is an outsider "making it up." One quibble I have with your piece is that point-click implementation design without code - even if you do it all in BPMN proper (impossible) - is not the same as implementation by business users. It sounds like your company, along with many others in the BPMS world, is offering the former. I think the nub of the issue is that the target user of your design tool or Lombarardi's is considered by guys like Nick to be a "business user." Real business users would laugh at this (or like me, consider it just out of touch). Slapped down good, I guess, since so far Nick has shut up, not put up. I don’t think I’m a purist, but I am a member of the so-called BPM community, and while that community does not speak with a single voice, I think I’m correct in saying Nick’s characterization of BPM is an outsider “making it up.” One quibble I have with your piece is that point-click implementation design without code – even if you do it all in BPMN proper (impossible) – is not the same as implementation by business users. It sounds like your company, along with many others in the BPMS world, is offering the former. I think the nub of the issue is that the target user of your design tool or Lombarardi’s is considered by guys like Nick to be a “business user.” Real business users would laugh at this (or like me, consider it just out of touch).

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